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		<title>By: CBrown</title>
		<link>http://adistantsoil.com/2009/03/02/scans-daily/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>CBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that sort of - SORT OF - surprises me about these folks is that one of the characteristics of comics fandom is how close the fans and creators can get. I think it&#039;s easier to self-justify downloading Britney Spears&#039; new album or getting a bootleg of Sony&#039;s new major motion picture, because the consumer is at a complete remove from the creators. However, it&#039;s always been really easy for fans to make contact with comics creators, even pre-Internet. Comics creators are not anonymous &quot;product&quot; like movie or rock stars; we&#039;re all aware of them as actual people. Not that illegal distribution of movies or music is better than bootleg comics, but . . . I pay for the media I consume, but I could probably sleep at night if I got a bootleg copy of Benjamin Buttons. Because I don&#039;t have any sense of a personal connection with Brad Pitt and whoever wrote and directed and produced that movie. But I&#039;d feel pretty bad about ripping off Colleen Doran, because I can talk to her on her blog. But these folks seem to not take that into consideration. They are talking DIRECTLY TO the creators they are supposedly fans of, and telling them that ripping them off is FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! Wow.

P.S. Colleen, a woman posted a response on The Beat saying that LiveJournal closing down Scans Daily reflected sexism and gender bias, since women have a different perspective on IP issues. I dared her to make her argument on your blog, but I don&#039;t think she will!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that sort of &#8211; SORT OF &#8211; surprises me about these folks is that one of the characteristics of comics fandom is how close the fans and creators can get. I think it&#8217;s easier to self-justify downloading Britney Spears&#8217; new album or getting a bootleg of Sony&#8217;s new major motion picture, because the consumer is at a complete remove from the creators. However, it&#8217;s always been really easy for fans to make contact with comics creators, even pre-Internet. Comics creators are not anonymous &#8220;product&#8221; like movie or rock stars; we&#8217;re all aware of them as actual people. Not that illegal distribution of movies or music is better than bootleg comics, but . . . I pay for the media I consume, but I could probably sleep at night if I got a bootleg copy of Benjamin Buttons. Because I don&#8217;t have any sense of a personal connection with Brad Pitt and whoever wrote and directed and produced that movie. But I&#8217;d feel pretty bad about ripping off Colleen Doran, because I can talk to her on her blog. But these folks seem to not take that into consideration. They are talking DIRECTLY TO the creators they are supposedly fans of, and telling them that ripping them off is FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! Wow.</p>
<p>P.S. Colleen, a woman posted a response on The Beat saying that LiveJournal closing down Scans Daily reflected sexism and gender bias, since women have a different perspective on IP issues. I dared her to make her argument on your blog, but I don&#8217;t think she will!</p>
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		<title>By: Arlnee</title>
		<link>http://adistantsoil.com/2009/03/02/scans-daily/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Arlnee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and a lot of it can be ascribed to just flat out rudeness and entitlement. These are the same people who are at a party and learn they&#039;re talking to a dentist and then open their mouth and say &quot;can you take a look at this for me?&quot; Or who get angry if they meet a comedian at the grocery store and the comedian doesn&#039;t tell them a joke. Because of course not only should everything be on demand, it should be free, right?

(the same people, it should be noted, who balk at paying a few bucks for an original sketch at a convention from an artist, and then bitch about how greedy the artist is and how they should be flattered that someone wants their art! I&#039;ve seen that more than once...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and a lot of it can be ascribed to just flat out rudeness and entitlement. These are the same people who are at a party and learn they&#8217;re talking to a dentist and then open their mouth and say &#8220;can you take a look at this for me?&#8221; Or who get angry if they meet a comedian at the grocery store and the comedian doesn&#8217;t tell them a joke. Because of course not only should everything be on demand, it should be free, right?</p>
<p>(the same people, it should be noted, who balk at paying a few bucks for an original sketch at a convention from an artist, and then bitch about how greedy the artist is and how they should be flattered that someone wants their art! I&#8217;ve seen that more than once&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://adistantsoil.com/2009/03/02/scans-daily/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting a little bogged down with work today, so I will try to keep it short (and you know how hard that is for me.)

Scribbler, the one other thing people seem to forget about the cost of art making: it costs money to live.

The more time we spend making art, the less time we have to spend making money to live. And the money we get to live on must also pay for the art. I don&#039;t know what some people expect artists to use for food and shelter while the art making goes on.

Clearly, they think it is all just a glorified hobby.

Bill: When you wrote that people were sending abusive mail to Peter&#039;s wife, my head spun around and I spat pea soup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting a little bogged down with work today, so I will try to keep it short (and you know how hard that is for me.)</p>
<p>Scribbler, the one other thing people seem to forget about the cost of art making: it costs money to live.</p>
<p>The more time we spend making art, the less time we have to spend making money to live. And the money we get to live on must also pay for the art. I don&#8217;t know what some people expect artists to use for food and shelter while the art making goes on.</p>
<p>Clearly, they think it is all just a glorified hobby.</p>
<p>Bill: When you wrote that people were sending abusive mail to Peter&#8217;s wife, my head spun around and I spat pea soup.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Myers</title>
		<link>http://adistantsoil.com/2009/03/02/scans-daily/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Antipathy is a strong word. Do you see this arising from a kind of class envy?&lt;/i&gt;

Antipathy may be a strong word but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s too strong, at least not based on some of the comments I&#039;ve seen in PAD&#039;s blog. I believe some of these people who envy artists to the point of resentment, and want to level the playing field by demanding the &quot;right&quot; to play with someone else&#039;s creations however they choose. 

I can&#039;t say how prevalent this point of view may be. Those who feel this way may look greater in number than they are because they&#039;re so vocal. I want to believe they are a small but noisy minority. I hope I&#039;m right about that, but I dunno.

In fairness, this sort of thing pisses me off and that emotion is probably causing me to paint in overly broad strokes. There are obviously some S-D users who who don&#039;t give a crap about intellectual property rights, but I&#039;m sure there are others who really don&#039;t understand the damage that is caused by illegally reproducing works. I&#039;m sure there are still others who are upset because they really were limiting their activities to what would fall under fair use, and have seen their community closed down.

I&#039;m sure S-D will come back in one form or another. I hope that when it does, the more reasonable members will realize they have a vested interest in more actively policing the community. In so doing, they can enjoy the benefits of sharing their love of this medium we call comics without infringing on anyone&#039;s copyright. I&#039;m sure there is a benefit to creators and publishers when fans gather online and spread the word about their favorite comics. But I think that benefit can be outweighed when people engage in flagrant copyright violations.

What&#039;s sad about this whole thing is that not only is Peter David being pilloried and even threatened online for shutting down S-D when in fact he did no such thing (Photobucket and/or LiveJournal did that before Marvel could act on what Peter David told them), &quot;fans&quot; are now sending abusive e-mails to Peter David&#039;s wife. Yet Peter has stated repeatedly that he feels S-D&#039;s demise was unfortunate. He laments the fact that he never got to see a post that humorously ascribed homoerotic subtext to a page or two of an issue of &quot;Young Justice&quot; that he wrote. 

PAD has also said that if someone had approached him about posting more pages of &quot;Fallen Angel&quot; than is allowed under fair use, he&#039;d have worked with them to make that happen because he wants to promote the book. But he owns the copyright and that&#039;s his decision to make. When he saw half of an issue of X-Factor posted online he felt obligated to report that to Marvel and let them decided what to do since they own the copyright. I think he was right to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Antipathy is a strong word. Do you see this arising from a kind of class envy?</i></p>
<p>Antipathy may be a strong word but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s too strong, at least not based on some of the comments I&#8217;ve seen in PAD&#8217;s blog. I believe some of these people who envy artists to the point of resentment, and want to level the playing field by demanding the &#8220;right&#8221; to play with someone else&#8217;s creations however they choose. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say how prevalent this point of view may be. Those who feel this way may look greater in number than they are because they&#8217;re so vocal. I want to believe they are a small but noisy minority. I hope I&#8217;m right about that, but I dunno.</p>
<p>In fairness, this sort of thing pisses me off and that emotion is probably causing me to paint in overly broad strokes. There are obviously some S-D users who who don&#8217;t give a crap about intellectual property rights, but I&#8217;m sure there are others who really don&#8217;t understand the damage that is caused by illegally reproducing works. I&#8217;m sure there are still others who are upset because they really were limiting their activities to what would fall under fair use, and have seen their community closed down.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure S-D will come back in one form or another. I hope that when it does, the more reasonable members will realize they have a vested interest in more actively policing the community. In so doing, they can enjoy the benefits of sharing their love of this medium we call comics without infringing on anyone&#8217;s copyright. I&#8217;m sure there is a benefit to creators and publishers when fans gather online and spread the word about their favorite comics. But I think that benefit can be outweighed when people engage in flagrant copyright violations.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s sad about this whole thing is that not only is Peter David being pilloried and even threatened online for shutting down S-D when in fact he did no such thing (Photobucket and/or LiveJournal did that before Marvel could act on what Peter David told them), &#8220;fans&#8221; are now sending abusive e-mails to Peter David&#8217;s wife. Yet Peter has stated repeatedly that he feels S-D&#8217;s demise was unfortunate. He laments the fact that he never got to see a post that humorously ascribed homoerotic subtext to a page or two of an issue of &#8220;Young Justice&#8221; that he wrote. </p>
<p>PAD has also said that if someone had approached him about posting more pages of &#8220;Fallen Angel&#8221; than is allowed under fair use, he&#8217;d have worked with them to make that happen because he wants to promote the book. But he owns the copyright and that&#8217;s his decision to make. When he saw half of an issue of X-Factor posted online he felt obligated to report that to Marvel and let them decided what to do since they own the copyright. I think he was right to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: scribblerworks</title>
		<link>http://adistantsoil.com/2009/03/02/scans-daily/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>scribblerworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it doesn&#039;t cost anything for artists to make things, right?

Oh, wait.... you mean canvases, canvas-boards, paper, paint, pencils, pens, ink.... all that COSTS something?

Nevermind the computer equipment and the PRO version of Photoshop (not cheap by any means).

You mean, that stuff isn&#039;t FREE? Wow.

/sarcasm.

That&#039;s biting me because I just purchased a set of Faber-Castell color pens, because I wanted something between crayons &amp; color pencils and acrylic paints to play with. With a storage box - to the tune of $122.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it doesn&#8217;t cost anything for artists to make things, right?</p>
<p>Oh, wait&#8230;. you mean canvases, canvas-boards, paper, paint, pencils, pens, ink&#8230;. all that COSTS something?</p>
<p>Nevermind the computer equipment and the PRO version of Photoshop (not cheap by any means).</p>
<p>You mean, that stuff isn&#8217;t FREE? Wow.</p>
<p>/sarcasm.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s biting me because I just purchased a set of Faber-Castell color pens, because I wanted something between crayons &amp; color pencils and acrylic paints to play with. With a storage box &#8211; to the tune of $122.</p>
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